BATTLE LINES? I guess we need some Warriors…..

The Prop. 19 Battle Lines Are Drawn: Will Californians Make the Right Decision and Vote to Legalize Pot?

By Phillip S. Smith,
Posted on October 10, 2010, Printed on October 13, 2010

CW: This is a great piece that really shows where people stand and breaks down the for and against argument (if you want to call it that) pretty well. Which side of the battle are YOU on? It is still not too late to come back from the Dark Side and join the rebel forces in this battle for cannabis freedom….

With election day now less than a month away, California’s Proposition 19 tax and regulate marijuana legalization initiative is leading in most polls (although a Monday Reuters/Ipsos poll showing it losing by nine points sent a chill down the spines of supporters) and is well-positioned to make California the first entity anywhere to legalize marijuana. But what happens in the next 27 days is crucial, as proponents and opponents alike seek to come up with the votes to prevail.

CW: Crucial for sure…

The battle lines are drawn.

Lining up in support of Prop 19 are dozens of (mostly) retired law enforcement figures, including former San Jose Police Chief Joe McNamara and former Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper, as well as Law Enforcement Against Prohibition and the National Black Police Association; four California US congressmen; dozens of state and local elected officials; local ACLU chapters; the California NAACP; the California Libertarian Party, the California Green Party; the California Young Democrats and many local Democratic groups; the Republican Liberty Caucus; organized labor groups, including the SEIU of California, the Western States UFCW, the longshoremen, and various union locals; clergy, including the California Council of Churches IMPACT and the Interfaith Drug Policy Initiative; economist Dr. Jeffrey Miron; and a number of physicians, including former US Surgeon General Joyce Elders. California’s burgeoning professional cannabis community has moved Prop 19 forward, with supporters including the Harborside Health Center, the Berkeley Patients Group, and the initiative’s primary sponsor, Oaksterdam’s Richard Lee.

CW: Now there is a group of people I would like to hang out and smoke a joint with…even the four congressmen:). Well, especially the four congressmen. BTW, THANKS Richard for getting this on the ballot for us. I do not think enough people have said that out loud….

On the other side are the usual suspects: The California Narcotics Officers’ Association, the California Association of Highway Patrolmen, the California Police Chiefs Association, the California Correctional Supervisors Organization, the California Peace Officers Association, the California District Attorney Association, and local police associations. They are joined by all federal drug czars past and present, past and present DEA administrators, both California US senators and most of the congressional delegation, most newspaper editorial boards, the California Chamber of Commerce, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the California Beer and Beverage Distributors (who chipped in $10,000 to Public Safety First, a political action committee created to oppose Prop 19), Californians for a Drug-Free Youth, DARE America, and other anti-drug organizations.

CW: I guess DragonfLIES and the idiot posse would be considered “other anti-drug organizations.” Do me a favor Dragonfly- change your column from “Getting high with Dragonfly” to “Only medicated because DragonfLIES hated.”  So let me see…local cops, state cops, and the feds, retarded newspapers, right wing business cheerleaders, drug-free organizations, are all on the NO side…and Dragonfly, Richard Brumfield, J. Craig Canada, Letitia Pepper, The Cannybus, Mario Abad,  Lanette Davies, Leland Cole, Jennifer Soares, and the heartbreaker Dennis Peron. A motley crew indeed….From where I sit..YOU GUYS ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY….

But given marijuana’s increasing popular acceptance, legalization foes aren’t getting much traction anymore with “marijuana is the devil’s drug” messages. Instead, they are forced into tangential attacks: Prop 19 will lead to more drugged driving; it will lead to workers high on the job, they say. It won’t earn tax revenues because everyone will grow his own. It will create a “regulatory nightmare.” Jacob Sullum at Reason magazine and veteran expert activist and Prop 19 steering committee member Chris Conrad’s Prop 19 Fact Check and Rumor Control web page both do a thorough job of debunking those claims.

CW: Cops and legalization opponents say, “It won’t earn tax revenues because everyone will grow his own. It will create a “regulatory nightmare.” This is also common rhetoric of the “Stoners against legalization” efforts. Which came first….the chicken or the boiled egg?

The opposition so far has been relatively low profile — because it doesn’t have any money. According to campaign contribution data at the California Secretary of State’s office, Public Safety First has only managed to raise $178,000 to oppose Prop 19 this year, and more significantly, only has $54,000 in the bank right now. That’s not enough to bankroll any kind of media campaign in the nation’s most populous state.

That’s a change from the past, when foes of drug reform initiatives could count on big money from special interests, as was the case in 2008, when a sentencing reform initiative that appeared headed for victory went down in flames after a big injection of funds from the powerful and wealthy prison guards’ union. This year, the prison guards and their pile of cash are sitting it out.

Thank, God….You would think prison guards would be tired of overcrowded prisons. Isn’t that more work and more dangerous situations for them to deal with? Look at the Netherlands….closing prisons. What prison guard in their right mind would not rather have a job guarding my plants rather than a bunch of inmates? I got cool easy mellow jobs for all of you highly trained guards. Plants do not throw feces at you when you walk by their cell….sounds nice, right?

The Prop 19 campaign fervently hopes they continue to do just that. Its worst fear at this point is a last-minute negative advertising blitz, and there is still time for that to happen. That’s because, like the opposition, Prop 19 is essentially broke. Although it has raised more than $700,000 this year, it only has $67,000 in the bank. An independent pro-Prop 19 group, Students for Sensible Drug Policy(SSDP), has another $100,000 in the bank, thanks to surprise donations from Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soapsand the DC-area store Capitol Hemp. SSDP is spending the money between now and Election Day on a Yes We Cannabis Fire Truck Tour doing voter registration and get-out-the-vote work on California campuses.

For the opposition, the lack of cash means it has to work to try to get its message out. Aside from the former drug czars coming out against the measure, a handful of debates, the penning of some op-eds, and a presence on the web, People First hasn’t done much. It has held a handful of lackluster press conferences, which have generated some coverage, and spokesmen are always willing to give good quote when reporters call, but so far, that’s about it.

CW: If by good quote you mean, “Blah, blah, blah, drugs are bad except for the ones I use…blah blah blah….save the kids…blah blah….nightmare this……drugged driving that….”

Other than for the lack of cash, opposition from the usual suspects is pretty much as expected. What is surprising is the emergence of a vocal anti-Prop 19 movement with the marijuana community.  From cannabis connoisseur Dragonfly de la Luz and her Stoners Against Prop 19to Vote No on Prop 19, with its warning of a “Prop 19 cartel,” to medical marijuana dispensary operators like HopeNet, the Green Door, and the California Cannabis Association, a fifth column within the marijuana movement is seeking to defeat Prop 19.

CW: Fifth column? There is no clandestine undermining here. This is an effort of BOLDFACE LIARS and FREAKS. I still say that there is something suspicious about people who materialize out of nowhere, name themselves after a bug, dress like a fairy, and use their newfound persona to undermine and effort to make lawful cannabis use and cultivation. Sounds like someone in the Relocation program, but that is just me. You know they say it is no longer paranoia after you have been followed for years and had your garbage gone through regularly. Just saying….If you think there are not some people in this effort that are switch hitting, then you are as naive as I was before my door got kicked in…

Their arguments, which can be read on their web sites, are varied, but boil down to a couple of main claims: that passage of Prop 19 will somehow hurt medical marijuana patients or dispensaries, and that Prop 19 is “not legalization” because it sets possession limits and allows for taxation and regulation of cultivation and distribution. There is an additional fillip of conspiracy-tinged fears that Prop 19 will lead to a corporate takeover of the pot industry. Left unspoken is the economic self-interest of growers and dispensary operators.

CW: The economic SELF-INTEREST is right. It is a ruse. These folks continue to lie in the face of the truth to continue their charade that they are somehow trying to save cannabis. No taxes or regulations? No age limit? Grow as much as you want? GET REAL. This is not even a valid argument in any universe, much less the one we are living in now. The one thing I will say is that if you have ever seen this group speak or gather, you would take one look at them and say, “I am not with those wingnuts. I am voting YES.”

Those arguments have been heartily answered in detail by, among others, Chris Conrad (here), national NORML outreach director Russ Bellville (here.) Those readers interested in the battle over clauses, intentions, and meanings can compare the two sets of sites and decide for themselves.

“They have said nothing we have not been able to disprove,” said Conrad, “but it doesn’t matter because they’re not reality-based. They’re like our own little Tea Party, with a politics of fear and conspiracy stuff, tangents about corporate takeovers, and libertarian anti-tax and anti-regulation notions.”

CW: “NOT REALITY BASED” is absolutely right. Could not have said it better. “I am not a witch. I am not any of those things you heard about me. I am you.” Ummmmm, no you are not. You are a loser and a liar….

“We want parity and equality, and that means if you sell something, you have to pay taxes,” said Mikki Norris, Conrad’s long-time partner in life and activism. “The anti-tax thing has inserted itself into every movement, including this one.”

CW: I wonder if people realize that taxes go to fund roads, and schools, and infrastructure, and all of the things we take for granted. So you want to not pay for kid’s schoolbooks? Or is it the roads you do not like?

Tensions boiled over during a debate last weekend at the Cow Palace in San Francisco during the International Cannabis and Hemp Expo, a pot industry trade show. Medical marijuana entrepreneur Richard Lee, the primary motivating force behind Prop 19, was subjected to loud heckling and shouting as he attempted to explain why pot people should vote for the initiative. A disgusted Lee finally rolled away in his wheelchair, leaving Conrad to carry on.

CW: Like playing cards with my sisters fucking kids….nerve-wracking sons of bitches.

Nevertheless, Conrad sees the “Stoners Against Prop 19” types more as a distraction than as serious opposition. “I don’t think they’re that important, really,” he said. “We have some serious opposition, and we’re waiting for those ads to come out, we’re waiting for the school bus full of children with the stoned driver. We’re more worried about that kind of opposition in the works than we are by these people.”

CW: “These people.” My sediments exactly. Loud, obnoxious and dishonest DISTRACTIONS….

For Dale Gieringer, long-time head of California NORML, opposition to Prop 19 inside the marijuana community is overstated, but could impact the election result in a tight race. “It’s a tempest in a teapot, a minority of a minority,” said Geiringer. “But this looks like it’s going to be a very close election, so it’s possible they could affect the outcome.

CW: Unfortunately Dale is right. I have always said it will be a horse race. 51-49 one way or another. Wouldn’t it be a shame if 19 failed because of the idiot parade and their bullshit fear mongering. So sad. So, be sure, if 19 fails and there is a severe backlash limiting medical use, and shit gets WORSE, not better- ALL OF THESE LOSERS WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR COWARDICE AND TREACHERY!

Despite the heated rhetoric and venom on display in recent weeks, both sides should treat each other with respect, he said. “There are too many people casting aspersions about others’ intentions in this,” Gieringer said. “There are good people on both sides of Prop 19. There are some very dedicated supporters of legal marijuana who simply do not like the wording of Prop 19 for one reason or another.”

CW: Ahhh, Dale. You are such a great politician. I could learn so much from people like you. Is it okay to “cast aspersions” on people who are making their name off of lying and deceiving people about 19? At what point is it when a person threatens my cannabis freedoms okay to cast the aspersions? Should we sit on our hands and allow people to mislead the movement with their lies? C’mon….I respect that some people have LEGITIMATE concerns, “Things will not be the same,” or “There will be a backlash,” are some of the more honest reasons I have heard. Stating that “Richard Lee is running a trojan horse to undermine the medical movement, out source all of the cultivation to Mexico, so that it can be sold back to dying patients at a premium” is not the viewpoint of a “good person” IMO. And you should be the first to step up and call bullshit, as a leader in this movement….and a friend of Richard’s.

But not voting for Prop 19 is the wrong choice, said Gieringer. “Some will conscientiously not vote for something that’s not to their taste, but I don’t think that’s a wise thing to do in a close election. This election is about do you favor legal marijuana or not, and all the other concerns can be adjusted afterward,” he said.

CW: “This election is about do you favor legal marijuana or not.” NOW THEM ARE WORDS TO LIVE BY….what people do not realize is that they are planting their gardens on a very slippery slope right now…

“They don’t want to pay taxes, they’re afraid it opens things up to big business,” said Gieringer. “Others think it doesn’t go far enough, and there are medical marijuana people who are afraid this will somehow infringe on patients’ rights under Prop 215 and Senate Bill 420. I don’t agree with that analysis.”

CW: Now you are talking…go on….

Neither does Americans for Safe Access(ASA), the country’s largest medical marijuana defense group, and one deeply rooted in the California medical marijuana scene. As a group concentrating on medical marijuana, ASA is neutral on Prop 19, but, in response to numerous questions from members and other interested observers, ASA has created a Prop 19 FAQ on its web site.

CW: If you have not donated to ASA lately…DO. They have a lot of work to do. It is their work that has made Prop. 19 a reality and more access to cannabis is always better than less.

“Does Prop 19 hurt patients?” was the question. “No. While it is possible there will be unanticipated consequences and legal controversy, nothing in the text of Proposition 19 is designed to deny any rights to medical cannabis patients,” was ASA’s answer

“Does Prop 19 overrule the medical marijuana laws of California?” was the question. “No. Proposition 19 is designed to, among other things, ‘[p]rovide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.’ Although a statement of purpose is not necessarily controlling, courts generally look to it in interpreting the statute’s language. The purpose of Proposition 19 is not to overturn Proposition 215 or any other state or local medical cannabis law,” was ASA’s answer.

“Will Prop 19 allow localities to ban medical marijuana dispensaries?” was the question. “Unclear. Currently, there is no legal authority stating that localities must regulate dispensaries under Proposition 215 and SB 420. Proposition 19 allows for local regulation of medical cannabis sales, but also allows localities to ban such activity. If Proposition 19 is adopted, it is unclear how the courts will integrate both laws with respect to dispensaries,” was ASA’s answer.

CW: That is a fair analysis. I think the real question is how the legislature will deal with the backlash of “dishonest collectives” and “people who do not look sick”….as referenced in the opposition to a simple resolution

It is worth noting that many California communities already ban dispensaries. Other, more medical marijuana friendly, locales regulate and tax them.

CW: That is far too reasonable for the tin hat idiots to understand…

“People are concerned when voters are considering something so similar to a right already afforded them and that a new law might somehow restrict those rights,” said ASA spokesman Kris Hermes. “There are many questions unanswered, especially around the issue of distribution. We’re fighting right now to prevent local governments from adopting bans against distribution. Given that Prop 19 allows for wet and dry localities, and because we haven’t completely ironed out the issue of whether local governments can ban medical marijuana distribution, this could infringe on those rights, especially if courts side with law enforcement against having a patchwork of different rules for different counties,” Hermes said.

CW: Not to state the obvious, but we have been trying to “iron out” these issues for 15 years. It has not really been a successful effort. There is more uncertainty in the distribution chain than ever….

“There are also entrepreneurs who see their business being threatened by a huge influx of legal marijuana,” said Hermes. “For some people, there is definitely a financial interest at stake, but ASA doesn’t feel that should be a reason to oppose the initiative.”

CW: Ya’ think? People are concerned about their money and are willing to keep making criminals of others to keep their pockets lined? Say it isn’t so….

“What’s not so clear is whether local governments might not have more power to tax, regulate, and potentially ban medical marijuana collectives,” said CANORML’s Gieringer. “The initiative gives very strong authority to local governments to do such things. It’s not clear what their authority is now. Many patients feel that, under current law, local governments have to accept collectives and maybe dispensaries. My reading is that that is not required by Prop 215, but might arguably be required by SB 420. But SB 420 is a statute and can be changed by the legislature at any time. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start tinkering around next year regardless of Prop 19. But the stronger the vote Prop 19 gets, the stronger the position of both patients and other users next year.”

CW: Ding. Ding. Ding. Dale wins the prize. 15 years into the medical law and it is still “unclear” whether any of our medical cannabis laws actually allow for distribution of cannabis. How many more decades should we wait to find out? My 6-year-old kid will be growing his own garden before then…geez. Yes. It would seem that regardless there is change on the horizon. Given recent statements of concerned legislators it would seem that more restriction, not less, would be in the works. 19 will remove the “people who do not look sick” from the issue and give REAL medical patients more validity. And i do not need to hear the “all use is medical” lecture. It just does not hold water….

On November 3, regardless of the intricacies of the arguments over Prop 19, the rest of the world is going to wake up to a headline from California. Is it going to be “California Legalizes Marijuana” or is it going to be “California Rejects Marijuana Legalization?” California voters have 27 days to decide.

CW: HEADLINE: CALIFORNIA SAYS PASS THE DUCHIE……..get on board and make it a reality before you read the headline, “ENTIRE MEDICAL CANNABIS PROGRAM SCRAPPED FOR NEW JERSEY STYLE REGULATION.” Is that the goal of the stoners against legalization? I sure hope not…You WILL be held accountable for your hyperbolic bullshit…If you want to play the dozens…..

Read more of Phillip S. Smith’s work at the Drug War Chronicle.

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4 thoughts on “BATTLE LINES? I guess we need some Warriors…..”

  1. Just so you know (not that I think you will ever allow this comment to be posted, like my others) I am significantly unlike the other people you group me with in the fact that I do not honestly care if Prop 19 passes or not. If it does, so be it. If it passes, that is fine too. No one can ever legitimately quote me as telling others to vote no on Prop 19, because I have never once said that.

    I’m not out there like the others you have listed me with telling people to vote no. I’m out there educating people on the possible outcomes if Prop 19 passes. If those outcomes are good, I say so. If those outcomes are bad, I say so. If Prop 19 is as amazing as you say it is, then I should have nothing bad to say, right?

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